Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Dispatches: Lessons in Hate and Violence

Dispatches investigates how some faith schools in Britain are operating behind closed doors. Going under cover, they expose extreme intolerence to other faiths (even other Muslims) and violence against pupils. Main problem of the program is that they blame extremists for these problems and ignore the fact that Quran is a source of hate speech and discrimination. Before the end of the program, we see a more tolerant and modern faith school which teaches the Quran in Arabic. I wonder how they teach the verses like these: "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them." (5:51) or Allah curses the Jews "So when they took pride in that which they had been forbidden, We said unto them: Be ye apes despised and loathed!" (7:166)

Aired February 14, 2011 on Channel 4.



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8 comments:

La Plume said...

Off course you've got to blame the extremists. Your last comment could be said about ALL the monotheist religions. They're ALL full of hatred for anyone who bothers to read their religious texts from the first to the last page.

Moderates are only people who ignore close to everything in them and live by their own principles albeit sometimes relying on religious dogmas when faced with a difficult decision. Why always put Muslims under the radar? They're not the craziest of the lot. They're the only one who still manage to have enough influence to make other wackos in great numbers, but in terms of lunacy, Christians and Jews are not faring any better as far as I'm concerned.

Moderate Muslim are no more lunatic than your average Christian or Jew. Please be fair and bash them all equally.

On another note, this documentary has just been released by mvgroup in a slightly bigger format (700 Mo), available on their public tracker.

bwims said...

@La Plume

Rubbish. No other religion is an active oppressive ideology, suppressing the rights of others in huge numbers and seeking to dominate wherever their diaspora takes them.

David said...

I am an Ex-Muslim (Atheist) and I guarantee you this is how most of MADRASAs(Islamic School)...

Shame really... SHAME!!!!

La Plume said...

@bwims and @David

I'm also a former Muslim and I went to a Koranic School, I was not hit, nor taught to hate Christians or Jews. I've read the entire Bible and the Koran, and mind you both are equally disgusting.

I'm not defending any religion here. In fact, I'm VERY anti-theist. I'm just saying that secularism has put an end to the inquisition, religious wars, witch hunt and other rubbish that occurred before because of Christianity. Islam was pretty progressive at a point. It has actually regressed.

Bwims you're speaking like Islam is the only religion that wants to "conquer" the world. But you're very wrong in that respect. All extremists are the same, the difference is that in the North, education has done a great deal to suppress superstition and consequently raised the opposition to anything "oppressive". Christian extremists have a hard time spreading their anti-jew hate speech because people are too educated to believe their bullshit. Such thing cannot be said about the South. Should I remind you about the kids in I don't remember which country, who are killed, tortured, or burned because the local CHRISTIAN priest has said they're possessed by the devil?

Or should we speak about Orthodox Jews who build settlements in Palestinian territories, not respecting the ISRAELI law, jsut because they consider it their right since GOD gave them that piece of land according to the Torah? The whole world can condemn them, they don't give a coconut because after all, God is on their side.

And we could go on about the crazy legislation that some evangelists have passed in the US.

@David, dunno from where you're from, but go to France. 13% of the population is made of Muslims and I can guarantee you that up to now I've never seen such kind of conduct. The only thing that pissed me off when I attended Koranic schools was that when we ate, we were served after the men and sometimes were given... their leftovers.

SShendeR said...

@ La Plume

First, you must be kidding about this blog singling out the Muslim faith for opprobrium - it's doing everything but. I am always taken aback by just how pervasive and persistent the Muslim cultural evasion of responsibility and self-criticism is, whereby, even Atheists of Arab/Muslim heritage find it hard to condemn Islam and the horrendous deeds done in its name, without resorting to the moral equivalence with other Abrahamic faiths, whose violence footprint is minuscule in comparison. Douglas Murray (that evil Neocon boooooo) put it really good in the Intelligence Squared debate about whether Islam is a religion of peace.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfopnc_douglas-murray-islam-isnt-a-religion-of-peace_news

By all counts, Islam is the sole contemporary religious menace facing the civilized world, and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING even remotely resembling the zeal, aspirations, violence and numbers of Islamists to be found among Christians, and let alone Jews. I find this attempt to deflect attention from the barbarism perpetrated by Islam by equating its scripture (which in itself is of little value, unless acted upon) to that of other faiths contemptible and indicative of a larger phenomena of the inability to accept criticism of the in-group, even when these ties have loosened.

Second, at this point in time, Islam IS the only religion bent on world hegemony. Christianity has long since abandoned its global aspirations and the few pockets that remain are negligent in comparison. The worse one can ascribe to it is the Vatican's ban on Condoms in AIDS ridden Africa, which, while an abominable practice, is a passive dogma that stems from the Vatican's ignorance and aversion to modernity than anything else.

It's funny you should mention the African PAGAN tradition of witch hunting, and present it as a Christian trait. As far as I'm informed, white Christian missionaries in Africa do not practice exorcism or believe in it. In fact, as a good Channel 4 documentary showed (Saving Africa's Witch Children) this practice is an African tradition under a Christian cloak. To suggest that this is somehow equivalent with the worldwide hatred, fanaticism and killing sprees of Islam, is to negate any human decency and proportionality.

On that same account, the worst thing one can accuse the American Evangelicals of, is killing a few abortion doctors, sabotaging science, obstructing stem cell research, and not giving Gays their rights. As Sam Harris rightfully said (I will paraphrase) on the moral landscape Islam is the current Mariana Trench.

However, the most absurd comparison is to the religious Jewish zealots, who are so few and far between, and whose wildest dreams of "dominion" include little more than the tiny (however contested) sliver of land known as Eretz Israel. Moreover, proselytizing is not practiced by Jews as it by Muslims and Christians. However contemptible and anachronistic some of its practices are, Judaism has always been a reclusive faith that just wanted to be left alone. This is the exact opposite of the Islamic Dawah and its Christian equivalents.

To sum up, all religions (and their scripture, doctrines and dogmas) are responsible for their share of evil in the world, however, not all of them are equal, and where we stand now, Islam is by far the worst offender, and yet is being treated with kid gloves by most Western establishments and with attempts to obfuscate its true nature by people like you.

La Plume said...

"To sum up, all religions (and their scripture, doctrines and dogmas) are responsible for their share of evil in the world, however, not all of them are equal, and where we stand now, Islam is by far the worst offender,"

We agree on that.

"and yet is being treated with kid gloves by most Western establishments and with attempts to obfuscate its true nature by people like you. "

Certaintly not.
My comment was not about this blog, but about this originally:

"Main problem of the program is that they blame extremists for these problems and ignore the fact that Quran is a source of hate speech and discrimination."

My answer was that, EVERY religion is to put in the same basket. Christianity and the Jewish faith are no better when you refer to their RELIGIOUS TEXTS. Btw, most Muslims only read the Koran in Arabic and don't understand a single word.I already said that several times on this blog, Muslims don't understand what's in these texts, if you give them a translation like this:

""O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them." "

You will always get the " your translation is wrong".

I read the whole comment - which btw is a tad bit too aggressive to my taste - so I won't go back to it. AS I said it's a matter of education. Open any History book about Christianity and you will find a number of atrocities just as appalling. I'm not denying that Islam is currently the most disgusting and dangerous religion RIGHT NOW, I'm saying that without education, it's no wonder things are the way they are.

Now at least we may agree on something, the number orthodox Jews is tiny... their damage is big. Muslim extremists are a minority yet they cause havoc.

I haven't read The moral landscape yet, but I've read The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation. I agreed with most of what Sam Harris said in both these books... however he should have refrained from speaking about Muslims in France in BOTH these books because it just shows how he sort of project his vision about Muslims in the US on France.

Unlike the US and Great Britain, as I already said elsewhere on this blog, we have a very STRONG anticlerical feeling here, and a very strong attachment to secularism. This is shared by Christians and Muslims alike.

One should not judge either Muslims or Christians by the content of their texts because Muslims and Christians don't know them which is especially true for Muslims who again READ IN ARABIC.

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La Plume said...

Another thing is, France has officially REFUSED the construction of ANY mosque with funds from countries such as Saudi Arabia. This is to guarantee that the money comes from the believers themselves and that therefore they control the imam who is going to preach. The system is not perfect, but at least it reduces the risks of having an extremist from these countries preaching in French mosques. As I said the system is not perfect, sometimes my father reports that they have an extremist preaching but usually it's just as a temporary "guest"... The complains are such that they never last anyway.

"it's doing everything but. I am always taken aback by just how pervasive and persistent the Muslim cultural evasion of responsibility and self-criticism is, whereby, even Atheists of Arab/Muslim heritage find it hard to condemn Islam and the horrendous deeds done in its name, without resorting to the moral equivalence with other Abrahamic faiths, whose violence footprint is minuscule in comparison."


Well as far as I'm concerned, a dead is a dead, a war is a war, something appalling today cannot be considered "glorious" just because it happened years ago. So I won't say what you wrote is wrong... because I'm facing the same problem when discussing with the rest of my family. I'm the only atheist of the lot. I just don't agree with the "whose violence footprint is minuscule in comparison."

But I guess we can't agree on everything.

"Second, at this point in time, Islam IS the only religion bent on world hegemony. Christianity has long since abandoned its global aspirations"

I agree here on Islam but not on Christianity. If Christianity was still as devoutly practiced as Islam is, they certainly would go for the same thing. See books written by Caroline Fourest and Fiametta Venner, who have studied for years Christian Integrism. It's just as frightening. The only difference is their number. (French authors. Caroline Fourest is best known in the english world for her translated book : "Brother Tariq" )

Again I go back to education: Muslim World= Under-educated for economic reasons mostly... coupled with religious reasons in the last 30 decades.Before 1989, Afganistan was a fairly decent Muslim country for instance.


So, in short. Yes the text is disgusting. Yes it's full of hate and that's it's true nature. No I'm not trying to obfuscate its true nature. I'm saying all dogmas are the same, but judge the dogma, not the people who say they practice it.Why? Because most DON'T when believing they DO.

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